SAVE HANGDOG CAMP!!
SAVE HANGDOG CAMP!!!!
This message was forwarded to me this morning, sorry don't know any more but we all need to get onto this quick. You can email the Council through the link below, please veryone who has every been to Paynes take the time to write something considered and constructive. Maybe others can chime in with more information on whats going on? Hi lovely hangdog folk! Seems the council has a new camp inspector who clearly needs a girlfriend or something and he has declared that hangd...og is unsafe to live in because: It appears he wants hangdog to build TOP10 style wash/toilet blocks with laundry facilities.... Celia is certain that hangdog will open again in summer but it will be vastly more expensive to cover cost of new installations. Please find time to use the below link to give your views to the council on this. Please be constructive and make lots of references to climbers ending up camping in Paynes Ford reserve and the issues with DOC that this raises.
in case u hadn't heard, hangdog got closed today and we all got given only 24hrs to find somewhere else to live - arse biscuits!
NO washing machine (!?)
NO filtered water ( no-one has ever got ill at hangdog )
NO license ( seems Celia thought this wasnt needed for past 2yrs )
Oh my goodness! Bureaucracy gone mad! Pretty hard to stay constructive in the company of complete fools. I better watch I don't get evicted from my property the next time my washing machine breaks down... or the water turns to slurry after the council roadies burst the water main... like they did last night and I was without water for an hour! :((( You can camp without water, toilets and washing on DOC land... why can't hangdog be classified under the same category, why does it have to be different? Isn't there a law of common sense?
Greetings to all climbers:
Attached is my attempted petition letter for the continuation of the Hangdog. Feel free to add your own comments or to write your own letter entirely - as it will be good for the Tasman District Council to hear all of our views! :)
The Hangdog has today been closed until further notice - ostensibly for maintenance, but the actual reason being non-compliance with standard council campground regulations. These regulations are aimed at the likes of Top 10 holiday parks, and include requirements such as having to provide a washing machine and individually marked campsites. In the past, Hangdog has had an exemption from these regulation, for its specific climbing-based purpose and clientele. This exemption has however expired, and the local council will not renew it as it sees no further need for this type of campground.
If you have stayed at this campground, were happy with what you found and the way it operated, and if you want it to continue to exist in its present form, please send your thoughts to the Tasman Distric Council.
I have included both TDC's Takaka and Richmond (Head Office) addresses, to cover both ends.
Feel free to pass on this template, and any additional thoughts, to your climbing friends around the globe.
Warm regards to everyone
Henry
:)
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TO:
Tasman District Council
189 Queen Street
Private Bag 4
Richmond
Nelson 7050
NEW ZEALAND
Tasman District Council
78 Commercial Street
PO Box 74
Takaka 7142
NEW ZEALAND
Email: info@tasman.govt.nz
RE: Hangdog Campground for Climbers, Takaka
Dear Madam/Sir
It has come to my attention that the campground of Hangdog, near Takaka, is being closed due to maintenance, or more specifically, because of non-compliance with council campground regulations. Apparently, requirements include hot water and a washing machine, neither of which are currently being provided.
On several occasions, I have stayed at the Hangdog myself, as this campground is close to the well-known climbing crags at Paynes Ford. I have very much enjoyed the camp, and have found its guests to be courteous and environmentally aware. At no point in time did myself or any of my climbing friends express the need for more advanced facilities. Most of Hangdog’s clientele are climbers who are set up for camping in a tent or out of a vehicle, which includes cooking facilities. Hot water is therefore not an issue. For those not set up for camping, the existing bunkhouse provides beds, cooking facilities, hot water, and a shower. Most guests visit the township of Takaka on a regular basis to do their grocery shopping and to check emails, which is when they do their washing at one of the various laundry services provided. This also brings more business into town centre.
I personally feel that for Hangdog’s clientele, who are climbers from New Zealand and all over the world, more advanced facilities are neither wanted nor needed. We are used to simple life close to nature. We strive to live in harmony with our surroundings and aim to leave places as we found them. In the case of an organised campground, potable water and toilet facilities are sufficient to keep it sanitary. Dishwashing sinks, fridges and a hot shower (which are all currently provided at Hangdog) are excellent and a bonus. As climbers, a lot of us have vast outdoors experience, which includes the concept of minimal environmental footprint, and living healthily with few of modern life’s luxuries. We are responsible for our own cleanliness. It could even be argued that with communal cooking and washing areas, fewer facilities are in fact more sanitary, as everyone will be self-contained, so there is less potential for spreading germs. Climbers and outdoors people are very self-reliant - we simply do not require the daily use of freely available hot water or washing machines to live healthily, or to be happy.
What is more, having these additional facilities is not desirable for us as they tend to increase the cost of running a camp, and therefore the cost to us, its patrons. We are used to travelling on budget with minimal facilities and expenditure. For climbers in particular, it is important to be able to stay for some length of time (and therefore, at affordable rates), in order to progress in our climbing aspirations and achievements. Expertise takes time. A basic and affordable campground with a friendly, supportive and environmentally responsible culture, such as the Hangdog, perfect fits our needs.
I am aware of the existence of basic Department of Conservation campgrounds, which often only provide toilets and cold water. As these campgrounds exist, they are obviously deemed sanitary enough to be safe and legal. Does this type of facility have to be limited to conservation estates? These basic campgrounds, much like Hangdog, cater for travellers who are self-reliant and happy with the simple life. Most holiday parks aim at a different clientele: travellers who are more used to having all the facilities of modern living, and often families and more mature patrons. While there is a need for these high-end campgrounds, there is also an obvious need (as evidenced by the occurence of “freedom camping”) for more basic campsites – as both campground philosophies represent different groups of travellers who visit New Zealand. For both groups, New Zealand is an attractive tourist destination (or they wouldn’t come all this way to visit!) – and this is especially true for adventurous and “outdoorsy” people, who love the activities this country has to offer. Both groups of visitors should therefore be provided with facilities appropriate to each target group. The District Council may want to liaise with the Department of Conservation on this, in order to create a more encompassing philosophy and matching guidelines.
In the case of the Hangdog, I believe this is a speciality case of a campground aimed at rock climbers, who have a strong sense of environmental awareness, mutual trust and respect, and world-wide climbing fraternity. Hangdog’s location is ideal in respect to Payne’s Ford; the facilities provided are sufficient for climbers’ needs. By being climber specific, this camp is working very well as is. It exudes a wonderful sense of companionship and harmony. Turning it into a standard holiday park would destroy an absolute gem. I therefore urge the Tasman District Council to reconsider its stance, and to introduce an exemption for Hangdog from the current generic campground regulations, as this type of camp is exactly what Hangdog’s clientele are happy with and looking for. I very much hope that the Tasman District Council will be responsive to climbing tourism, which is an outdoor adventure activity this area is well known for internationally, by supporting a minimal facilities campground which enables rock climbing.
Please feel free to contact me if you require additional information, or confirmation of any of the above.
Sincerely yours
***NAME AND ADDRESS***
Maybe they need to make room for a dam and some mining?!? Submission sent.
Please personalise them a bit 
Faxes can be also be sent to +64 (3) 525-9972.
The phone number for the Tasman District Council is +64 (3) 525-0020.
A reply recieved by an Australian respondent
"and in response to the email i sent the Tasman District Council:
Closure of Hangdog Campground
The owners have voluntarily closed Hangdog campground to refurbish the
site. The refurbishment is intended to ensure compliance with current
legislation. Council will work with the owners to achieve the best
outcome.
Customer Services
Tasman District Council"
In terms of submitting the most effective letters, I think it woudl be useful to hear what the official rules are - in general, and applied here.
My money is that by next summer, Hangdog will have a nice new/recycled ablutions block whcih meets TDC standards and is done in true hangdog style. The cost will go up, but it will still be cheap and the vibe will remain largely unchanged.
Yeah it would seem to me that TDC will be operating within the legislative rules set by Govt and councils and have little leeway.
They are probably also very careful after the incident over the summer that closed the camp near Tukurua (towards Collingwood)(sp) with an outbreak od Norovirus.
This is nuts. DOC charges more to camp at Craigieburn with it's overflowing long-drop and water from a stream which people/dogs are constantly crapping meters away from! The amenities at Hangdog are perfectly fine, the water is perfectly safe to drink and there are TWO laundromats in Takaka? F**king bureaucrats!
I received the same standard response from TDC about a "voluntary" closure of the camp... Hangdog was actually TOLD to close by TDC. Since when is this voluntary???
Current council campground regulations are aimed at quite a high level, including marked campsites etc - I've only skimmed the list and my brain had a protective seizure. The only way Hangdog has managed to exist in its current form is by having an exemption from these rules. I hope that there can either be another exemption, or that maybe long-term the regulations themselves will be adjusted to be more sensible. Let's keep it up!
Hangdog is still closed but things are under way as we speak to get the place open before Christmas. The regulations are aimed at quite a high level and as we all know thats not what we want, so.. with a tweak here and there and a few exemptions things are looking good for the summer The cost may go up and the numbers will be restricted as always
, but it will still be the Hangdog we all know and love.
So in the meantime you climbers that are coming to the Bay before we reopen please!! if you intend to do a dodgey camp, keep it clean..
A bit of an update and some blatant advertising regarding the camping scene in Golden Bay for this summer.
As Troy says, Hangdog is hoping to be open for Christmas, with much work to do and approvals required from the council before they get the green light. Troy at Hangdog has talked to a number of backpacker hostels etc in the Bay and has negotiated good rates for climbers if Hangdog isn't open, or is open but full (lower capacity now). So give him a bell if you are thinking of heading this way.
Alternatively, I'm renting a cottage on our property, about 10kms from the crag and 2kms from Pohara Beach. Normally we'd only have a max of 4 people, but we have some flat land so I'm thinking we can have up to 10 people camping at our place. For the price you get the cottage and the camping for the base rate (ignore the extra pax charge). Be great for groups of friends etc who have transport.
If you're interested you can check out more and get in touch at:
http://www.bookabach.co.nz/holiday_homes/dsp_listing.cfm?bachId=11747.
and let me know you read this here


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Help save HANG DOG and our way of living!
Hang Dog climbing ground has been a climber’s haven for the Paynes Ford Reserve climbing area for the last two decades, providing for the international climbing community. But today it has been closed by the Tasman District Council as it does not comply with certain campground requirements; funnily enough a main point is not having any laundry facility! So the campground has to be closed temporarily at least to meet these requirements. However the lifestyle choice for this type of camping is under threat along with freedom camping. This culture doesn’t require the marked tent spaces and filtered water of polished top 10 campsites. Trampers, Climbers, Nature lover’s camp to be closer to their environment and as travelers, provides the means for reliable shelter. Camp grounds like Hang dog provide the basics because that’s what the culture wants. Without it there would be a lot more freedom camping and a lot of problems with DOC. If Hang Dog has to meet all of the regulations and is not given any exemptions for this way of living, not only will it remove itself from what the culture looks for physically, it will be, for the majority, financially unworkable. Hangdogger’s who contribute financially to the local community in a number of ways…..especially Laundromats!
Action by everyone should be taken to help make this aware to the Tasman District Council. By writing a letter to TDC you can tell them that this cultural campground does not need to meet all of these requirements in order to provide a camping space. Exemptions need to be made and awareness of this type of living understood.
Help Save Hang Dog!
Contact TDC on http://www.tdc.govt.nz/index.php?ContactUs
Or 78 Commercial Street, Takaka, PO Box 74, Takaka 7142
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