bah humbug
28 January 2006 - 11:04pm
is it me or has the zone almost completely ground to a holt? "a very good onsight" has been moving a bit, but smacktalk hasnt moved in about a week (except for my post). and while im having a bitch, why has nobody been writing any interesting drivel?!?! even if its a load of absolute wank, at least SOMETHING would be happening then.
i fear rowans censorship has killed the zone
29 January 2006 - 12:27pm
#2
Jack is a moron.
In one year and one week you have posted 402 items of twaddle, in the top ten, most members have been on this site for 4 years...
http://mojozone.co.nz/forum/memberlist.php?sid=4074629e38b56812374fa6064...
Do something constructibe and Go out climbing instead of wasting your life in front of that screen you egg.
Or has your mummy grounded you again....
:roll:
29 January 2006 - 4:47pm
#4
Have you considered the possibility that the other members of the forum are actually out there doing and therefore:
1. Have no reason to post here as they're not bored
2. Are nowhere near a computer as they are busy falling off stuff
3. They're sick of the inane drivel and don'r read this forum
30 January 2006 - 12:21pm
#6
Hi Jack I'm glad your back, now we can get on with the really important stuff, just a suggestion (since you seem like a nice enuff fella) why not post something interesting, something that dosnt involve errrr you? something that dosnt involve making excuses about why you cant do things and perhaps (just a suggestion!) involves something that you actually did
and have you considered other less dangerous sports to let your body recover from all the rad stuff that you do? if you want to tick the really hard routes your gonna have to stop falling on your head so often :wink:
2 February 2006 - 4:45pm
#7
hey jack! where did you go??? jack !!! jack come back we're worried sick, we're with you man, we feel your pain, come on sharings caring, jack
o dear work is slow today
3 February 2006 - 10:25am
#8
Jacks gone :cry:
3 February 2006 - 9:21pm
#9
feeling guilty now?
5 February 2006 - 9:08pm
#10
nope I've always enjoyed shooting fish in barrels
5 February 2006 - 9:10pm
#11
i think playcentres started again...
11 February 2006 - 11:41pm
#12
Play nicely boys and girls.
15 February 2006 - 9:11am
#13
Play nicely boys and girls.
Or what? I don't think they're scared of getting detention anymore....
16 February 2006 - 9:35am
#14
WTF ??
If I wanted as many page hits as possible I would put some google ads on the side, let it run as a free for all, incite a little tension and let it go. Who knows I would probably get back some of the money I've poured into it. Downside - it would implode within a year and the NZ climbing scene be given a bad rep by one internet site.
However, according to the stats log the zone is anything BUT killed. During weekdays approaching 6000 page views, weekends 3000. On average 400+ somewhat unique visitors per day. If the forums aren't going anywhere it's proving I'm getting quality traffic to the site which is my goal.
16 February 2006 - 10:11am
#15
If the forums aren't going anywhere it's proving I'm getting quality traffic to the site which is my goal.
So what exactly is 'quality' traffic, by your definition? I realise you are not trying to run a free-for-all forum here, you have made that quite clear, but what is the purpose of MojoZone as a website?
The Zone is dedicated to climbing in New Zealand, covering Sport Climbing, Bouldering, Trad Climbing. Our aim is to promote and inform our intrepid viewer, of massive sends, majestic countryside crags and more. Check out our Crag Database for latest conditions on your local crags.
I think the forums are being used for exchange of lots of good information, which is great (and I assume is your goal), and fulfills much of your 'aim'. What about the 'Crag Database' though? For the most part, it is completely useless for finding out the 'latest conditions on your local crag'. It has so much potential to really be a core part of the website, and a way of returning some real information to those 400+ unique visitors! Is there a way we could make submissions to it at least semi-automatic, so we could get information into it but not create too much more work for you?
The suggestion about a gallery was also quite good (obviously there are bandwidth issues to be dealt with there though).
PS, sorry this post would probably be more appropriate in Comments.
16 February 2006 - 10:54am
#16
mojo serves a purpose and allows a medium for discussion, and that's great. i think any perception of 'censorship' is misplaced. intervention has been made only when people made incendiary and/or potentially damaging posts. i think its fair for rowan to say "if you don't like that aspect, go play elsewhere".
by 'quality traffic' i assume rowan means that there are less assinine posts per site visit than there used to be. the inference being more people are checking in to see what's going on, or to get info. that may or may not be true (people checking in to see if there's a good scrap to wade into adn then leaving if there isn't) but certianly there have been plenty of posts in the last 6 months or so of people (kiwi and international) discussing and trying to arrange climbing trips. i;m sure that's considered a success by rowan.
as for the database: that was an ambitious big project and had/has to be fit in around (money earning) work by rowan and others. give it time. and we can all continue to post questions and recommendations if we have them.
i'd say mojo is settling down a bit. as the webiquette improves (or poeple get sick of beating the same dead horses) then i predict a return to higher numbers of the people who at the moment climb more and post less. i can understand their waning interest, but their contributions can really lift the site (eg. Taniwha post, JP and Kester developing Ruapehu last year).
16 February 2006 - 11:39am
#17
...that was an ambitious big project and had/has to be fit in around (money earning) work by rowan and others.
Hence my question/request about being able to add information more directly. I understand Rowan doesn't have time to add information for dozens of crags in NZ. Most of us probably don't have that kind of time, but if each of us was give the facility to add a little bit, then together we could fill the Crag DB with useful information. I just personally think that would add value to the website and increase the amount of 'quality traffic' (people not looking for a fracas on the forums, but rather useful information about climbing in NZ).
I like MojoZone, I think it is the best climbing website in NZ. I just think it could be so much more if the MojoZone community was allowed a bit more semi-direct accces to certain areas of the website.
16 February 2006 - 2:05pm
#18
I initially supplied rowan with co-ords and number of routes for nearly every crag in NZ that formed the basis of the crag database. This was based on a map of nz crags i was going to make for myself and try and sell through the NZAC (based on a crag map of France that i bought once). However NZAC werent interested so i offered the data to Rowan. It was planned to have a map interface with clickable areas for each crag and so on.
see below for an early beta version
http://www.mojozone.co.nz/crank
A large amount of work has already gone into what you see on the crags page. It still has a lot of work to be done. At that time about half a dozen people were given rights to add and edit crags in each region (I took the central NI region). I've attempted to keep things reasonably up to date, but i have a busy job, and like to climb in my spare time so fiddling with a website kinda ends up at the bottom of the list.
I guess there needs to be reasonably tight editorial control on the site to prevent chaos. I'd suggest you get in touch with Rowan if you want to look after an area.
Mojozone is easily the best climbing website in NZ and something that i've been pleased to be able to contribute to.
16 February 2006 - 2:54pm
#19
It was planned to have a map interface with clickable areas for each crag and so on.
see below for an early beta version
see below for an early beta version
That is pretty cool.
I'd suggest you get in touch with Rowan if you want to look after an area.
I might just do that, if Canterbury doesn't already have a 'mod'.
17 February 2006 - 4:34am
#20
Dan - I couldn't have said it better.
Basically as Mojo is purely a spare time project it comes down to enthusiasm to get the job done on it. I've been working on cutting down my consulting commitments as they soak up too much spare time, 3 months before xmas I was doing crazy hours/week. Once that's done I'm going to rebuild the back/front end in Rails and dump it on one my servers over in the US as I've got tighter control over it. Just this weekend I registered mojozone.ca so the global effort can begin at some stage and even put in motion setting up a cafepress store. The technology I develop in now makes it far easier to setup sites, so thus I can do a better job finishing it off, but still need the time to do so.
There is a whole bunch of people who've been given access to the current back end to change crags pages, and crags pages do allow updating of news, access, pictures etc about that crag. A fair bit has and is being done by people, and again this is spare time for everyone. Which is why as Craig says it normally ends up being on the bottom of everyones lists. There also is the whole issue of stepping on guide book owner's toes, which is something I don't want to do.
At the end of the day the idea is to promote NZ climbing. Which is the whole basis for the site, quality traffic is all about people interested in/promoting the scene, not slagging each other off.
17 February 2006 - 2:01pm
#21
Well said, I develop software as well but when I get home I can't get far enough away from the bloody machine let alone manage a climbing site. Rownan glad to hear you share the load a bit. In the end it's up to us to write articles and send them in. It's what we want to make of it.
20 February 2006 - 9:30am
#23
have made a basic forum with a friend just as a spare time thing for school where i can post all the irrelevent shite i want :).
Where is it? Maybe we can go and 'ruin' it for you by posting relevent/serious stuff :wink:
20 February 2006 - 2:11pm
#24
ah well jack ... so long, thanks for the laughs, the tears, the fun times the memories..... :cry: good luck son!
23 February 2006 - 11:13am
#26
goodbye jack, we've had some good times and some bad, well mostly bad...
jj but i guess your reign of stupid posts is over. I salute you... :roll:
Look Jack, pay attention and listen up.
There is no censorship conspiracy. Yes a couple of things have been moderated when they actually needed to be. Your fears are unfounded. Rown would not kill his own site with heavy moderation.
Instead of bitching about inane subjects why not use your time more constructively and start a thread about something intelligent. It may be new information to you, but mojozone does not exist simply to entertain you and no one really cares at all for your bitching.