August CMC Club Night - Hugh Logan

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Come along to the Pioneer Lounge upstairs at Pioneer Stadium, Lyttelton St, Christchurch on 18 August 2011 to hear Hugh Logan talk about Steve Moffat and Steve Gurney retracing the steps of 19th century NZ mountaineers George Mannering and Marmaduke Dixon. Drinks and nibbles from 7.30pm with the talk beginning at 8pm. 

cragrat
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You might want to edit it and put in the date

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Um, in summary: Come along and hear one person talk about how two other people did something that two other people again did.  I think I'll get someone else to go along and they can tell me about it later.

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Once you've found out, could you please film yourself recreating Hugh's presentation and put it up on Youtube for the rest of us?

MM
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...So Hugh Logan can watch.  I think that is officially postmodern.

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Hugh was on the climb of Mt Cook with Steve and Steve. He did the filming of the ascent along with Scott Simper. Come along and hear Hugh's account of the trip, enjoy a few drinks and nibbles.

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Hugh the historian invented the modern era of climbing.  It started in the mid 70's and ended in the mid 80's when Bill Denz died in a small avalanche in the Himalayas. Hugh wrote the first ever Mt Cook guidebook which put him into the position of having to judge and 'grade' the relative merits of the achievements of our Kiwi climbers here.  It was a significant achievement for the time.

Unfortunatley Hughs' commitment to documenting what had been done completely failed to comprehend what type of alpine might be done in the future.  Thus his version of history was overly influenced by the climbs of his peers at the time.  Additionally he deliberately ignored the true story of how events unfolded in order to focus his version of climbing events on a single personality.

 

As a reaction to this focus on the person, rather than the climb itself, future efforts compensated by concentrating on the climbing itself, instead of the persons involved.

 

Unfortunately the official recorders have entirely missed out on this fundamental seachange.  How and why this is so is beyond my comprehension, but what it meant was that we were still living in an era or era's where our heroes were all dead  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6yTRq_rJg4

 

There is nothing we as human beings could do to compare to these heroic guys.  So all a guy could do was try to do something different.  Therefore instead of that macho guts and glory bullshit perhaps there was an opportunity for geekiness and technical ability to shine through as a legitimate alternative?

What happened next, as a reaction to Hugh Logans' version of climbing based around a single personality has not been recognized, but it can be considered as being representative of the post modern era.

Who can forget this?...

www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZH2fknRMLE&feature=related

 

At any rate that post '85 era is a long time ago now.  What still keeps it relevant is that since then climbing has decelerated from being a rapid aquisition for new or big routes, to simply being a shadow of it's former self.

How this happened is a mystery.  At least Disco hasn't triumphed over Punk. 

Perhaps apathy has triumphed over what really matters in life, when one sacrificed himself for a greater and aesthetically pure principle.

I'm feeling too exasperated to write anything more now.

Shutchoassup biarch njus climb ehbro ?

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What are you talking about again...? 

 

I went and saw 10 Foot Pole for $5 on Fanshaw St in 1996, Sick of it All two night consecutively (during a school week) and Sex Pistols on their reunion tour (only came to Akl in mid 90s)... I sacrificed all my punk cds for the pure principal of beer money when I was at uni, but I'm too exasperated to write more about that now, as I'm gluten and dairy free. 

 

It's pretty cool that the South Ridge of Cook was named after a great Aucklander

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I actually tried to name an insignificant little peak Mt Hugh Logan once, but unfortunately the Geographic board rejected it on the grounds that he was still alive, so I called it Chosspile Peak instead.

Shutchoassup biarch njus climb ehbro ?

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I hope you've managed to get some sleep

 

 

 

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He's an Aucklander so thats okay Johnny

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I LOVE the grimace !!!

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the ghost who walks wrote:

Hugh the historian invented the modern era of climbing. . .

Unfortunatley Hughs' commitment to documenting what had been done completely failed to comprehend what type of alpine might be done in the future. 

Um, cos history is, like, about the past?

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Additionally he deliberately ignored the true story of how events unfolded in order to focus his version of climbing events on a single personality.

Tell us more, please!

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growingwild wrote:

the ghost who walks wrote:

Hugh the historian invented the modern era of climbing. . .

Unfortunatley Hughs' commitment to documenting what had been done completely failed to comprehend what type of alpine might be done in the future. 

Um, cos history is, like, about the past?

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Additionally he deliberately ignored the true story of how events unfolded in order to focus his version of climbing events on a single personality.

Tell us more, please!

Perhaps if you had read and understood my comments then you wouldn't have had to post that comment asking for further information , or 'proof'.

As an ex Editor for the Alpine Club what proof can you provide that you have even the simplest undertanding of the climbing events that have happened in the Mt Cook region ever?

My impression of you is that all your significant climbing has been done at sub-alpine altitudes.  When have you ever presented a better interpretion of the history of NZ Alpine climbing than what I made just a few comments back.  Perhaps if you wish to be taken seriously you could provide some information about your real alpine climbing pedigree.

For instance have you climbed the North face of Mt Hicks?  I only ask this because it is is the only recognised grade 6 alpine rock climbing face in New Zealand.

Shutchoassup biarch njus climb ehbro ?

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Great club night last night.  Wearing single leathers and getting frostbite for the sake of a re-enactment sounds pretty heavy!

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cruze wrote:

Great club night last night.  Wearing single leathers and getting frostbite for the sake of a re-enactment sounds pretty heavy!

I'm truly sorry I missed out on the talk, it would have been an edifying experience. 

 

Just wearing single leather boots though does not mean that one will get frostbite. In fact wearing single leathers will increase your speed and your ability to achieve the route you are attempting.  Older, strapon, crampons tended resrtict circulation to the toes if you wore them on softer, lighter boots that collapsed onto your feet when when a traditional style strapom crampon was used..  This problem has largely been cured by the new style of crampons which have the plastic 'bail' over the top of the boot.  For example see this:  http://www.backcountry.com/black-diamond-sabretooth-clip-crampons

Mt Cook can be climbed without difficulty in lighter weight boots so long as one is fit and ready. 

Shutchoassup biarch njus climb ehbro ?

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Ok, I admit it, it's all true, I climbed Aoraki in lighter weight leather boots. And a grade 15 yesterday at Titahi Bay that I reckon would be up there quality-wise with the north face of Hicks.

Speaking of which, if you have to have climbed Hicks' north face to understand Mt Cook climbing history, well, seems to me that the difference between that set of people and Hugh Logan's set of one (Bill Denz) is quantitative but hardly qualitative.

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Sorry for the confusion. Steve Moffat wore a pair of boots that were crafted based on 100 year old vintage hobnail boots. My understanding was that, compared with other members of the party wearing modern single leathers, he suffered mild frostbite during the reenactment. This may have also been the result of being wet/cold all over in vintage clothing!!

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Reckon I might start the New Zealand Subalpine Club. We'll be singing this on our club trips: http://youtu.be/TWAEw_VJ5m0

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I thought it was a pretty so so presentation really though Hugh is passionate about things it wasn't really inspirational. I was a factor in lowering the average age of attendees below 70 I think